Tuesday, April 12, 2005

Downtown Salt Lake Planning Makes New York Times

Take a look at this piece in the New York Times from last week (requires a free registration, but it's worth it to read the piece). Our Salt Lake City downtown planning debate is in the news.

I mentioned in the last blog entry on this topic that Alex Marshall, one of the upcoming speakers at The Vibrant Downtown symposium April 26, seems to like a book by Roberta Brandes Gratz. Well, Gratz is quoted in the Times article, saying that she said an enclosed mall (in downtown Salt Lake) would kill the downtown's chances of regenerating. "Connecting open streets is the only thing that will make it urban," the quote continues.

However, Michael Beyard, a senior resident fellow at ULI, said that an enclosed mall would not necessarily doom hopes for a walkable downtown. North Michigan Avenue in Chicago has them. The San Francisco Shopping Center, a vertical mall on Market Street, is considered a success and is undergoing expansion.

The piece also talks about the apparent lack of public disclosure and involvement in the development of the Church's plans for the two malls downtown. Ron Pastore, a principle at AEW Capital Management and one of the consultants on the project hired by the LDS Church, said in the Times article that the project is so complex that it would have been premature to discuss details in public at this point.

Brenda Scheer, U. College of Architecture and Planning Dean and one of the main people putting together the Vibrant Downtown symposium, just emailed me saying that Pastore just agreed to be one of the speakers at the symposium.

So be sure not to miss this one. See an earlier blog entry for details on how to register.

379 Comments:

At 12:43 PM, Blogger Prof Simmons said...

Wilf, the question of downtown vibrancy is a good one. Is the lack of vibrancy because there is no longer a central business district (CBD) as jobs have flowed out of the downtown to Edge Cities? If so, none of the models I have seen for reinventing downtowns seem to work. Certainly the "Bring back the 1920's" walkable community concept seems doomed. What jobs exist in the CBD today? Why? What will cause the mix of jobs to change?

Is the reason for lack of vibrancy planning controls that have kept the CBD from evolving into something that makes economic sense in the modern world? Rigid rules stop the dynamism that is necessary in a non-static world--something that many planners forget.

It appears to me that most planners forget to ask, "and then what?" They forget that event gives way to cycles of events (to use a phrase from biologist Garrett Hardin)that they cannot anticipate. Rigid rules stop spontaneous orders from emerging that none of us are capable of anticipating.

What might downtown Salt Lake look like in 15 years if taxpayers stopped dumping in huge amounts of money to prop it up AND if planning rules were greatly simplified? I'll bet that it would be a vibrant place but that vibrancy would come at the expense of several failures by private people. It would certainly not be the orderly but antisceptic place it currently is. Of course the LDS church is not willing to let market forces determine what happens to downtown so they will institute their own form of central planning and pour lots of money into downtown without regard to cost or effect. "Inspired" planners are as likely to get it as wrong as secular planners so I have little hope for an economically efficient downtown.

And there is the colossal waste of money we call TRAX and the upcoming money people plan to waste on heavy rail. But that is a tpoic for another time. Thanks for doing this blog.

--Randy Simmons

 
At 2:36 PM, Blogger Wilf said...

Thanks for your comments, Prof Simmons. It's always great to get a lot of viewpoints out for discussion.

You raise some very good and interesting questions about how downtowns work, and what would work best. No question that the world we live in today is very different from the one that created downtown Salt Lake (and other downtowns) in the first place. So what role can they play now? It almost seems to me that role is different from place to place.

And I agree that tight, specific rules may squeeze out the very creativity and "messy" entrepeneurism needed to make it a vibrant place.

You raise the issue of TRAX and commuter rail. No question they are expensive, but so are new roads, particularly when we have to do all the EIS studies (and in some cases, do them over and over again). But I wonder if downtown SL would have even the level of activity it has now if there were no TRAX. Seems like it might be even deader. I know for Davis County, commuter rail will be aimed at downtown SL, yet only about 2 out of 10 of our commuters heading out of Davis County to SL County go to downtown -- the others go a lot of other places. So it does raise some interesting questions about what is the best approach.

 
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